Comments on: CRN: Author Ed Offley on Scorpion Down

By: BillB

BillB — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 20:20:58 +0000

This doesn’t surprise me a bit. I am not an alarmist or conspiracy theory nut of any kind….but when you get firm documentation/confirmation like this…it makes you wonder what else have we been kept in the dark about?

By: Thomas Wade

Thomas Wade — Mon, 19 May 2008 22:45:42 +0000

To Don Mikulec,— I was wanting to visit the “bulletin board” where the Ex-Sosus members posted the reply about Collier, to see if it was as you say it was, but you didn’t provide that info. Interesting… especially since I was in the class 8222 as well, I remember Vince as being one of the
people who helped others study and was well liked among his peers and instructors. I didn’t graduate with 8222, I had pneumonia, which caused me to miss enough days that I was set back into 8223, and I wasn’t there for the replay of the tape. However, I do not believe that any of our instructors would have played a “graduation trick” on us, considering the seriousness of our job. That sort of behavior would have been the end of anyone’s career as an instructor. You might as well make fun of the death of someone’s child. Some things you just didn’t do at OTA school. After I read the book, I am pretty well convinced that it is as close to accurate as is possible, until the Navy finally de-classifies it, and comes clean.

By: Thomas Lee Wade

Thomas Lee Wade — Mon, 19 May 2008 22:41:06 +0000

To Don Mikulec,— I was wanting to visit the “bulletin board” where the Ex-Sosus members posted the reply about Collier, to see if it was as you say it was, but you didn’t provide that info. Interesting… especially since I was in the class 8222 as well, I remember Vince as being one of the
people who helped others study, and was well liked among his peers. I didn’t graduate with 8222, I had pneumonia, which caused me to miss enough days that I was set back into 8223, and I wasn’t there for the replay of the tape. However, I do not believe that any of our instructors would have played a “graduation trick” on us, considering the seriousness of our job. That sort of behavior would have been the end of anyone’s career as an instructor. You might as well make fun of the death of someone’s child. Some things you just didn’t do at OTA school.

By: joe dupont

joe dupont — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:19:54 +0000

Bingo.. the Scorpion was already sunk sooooooo it would seem that maybe we were retaliating for our sub… which we knew went down..
maybe we were in a heightened state of alert.
The russian badger t-16 went down on the 25 of may.

By: joe dupont

joe dupont — Sat, 24 Nov 2007 23:37:53 +0000

Scorpion Down.. a week or so prior to the sinking of the Scorpion, i remember hearing about a russian bomber mysteriously crashing near an air craft carrier.
To me the timeing was too much to dis regard.. I assumed it was tit for tat..

By: Don Mikulec

Don Mikulec — Mon, 23 Jul 2007 21:19:36 +0000

I’ve read the book and was quite impressed. However, I was not able to find any independent corroberation on the web.

I went to a bulletin board where ex-SOSUS personnel post and their opinions. The ratio is three posts thinking the book is BS versus for every post that thinks it’s plausible. People who were posting included a guy who was stationed with Vince Collier, seaman that was in the class where the SOSUS “Scorpion death” recording was played. The man posting said Vince was quite a talker, but never mentioned hearing the “death” recording.

Other ex-SOSUS personnel posting said that they remembered seeing US and Soviet subs mameuvering live as the paper tape was being produced from the sensors.

It’s a good book, but it would be nice if someone came forward to corroberate it.